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I need feedback - North America Just graduated with a CS degree + project experience, over +100 applications, no traction ( self.resumes )

submitted 1 year ago * by Successful_Entry2715

I hope someone can help me out and point me in the right direction and spot potential flaws in my resume. My latest change was restructuring the objective to be more oriented around my experience rather than displaying me as a recent grad. I have removed any mentions of me recently graduating, since I heard that this can be a big deterrent.

On a further note, I believe I am more than skilled for entry level positions and am confident to have the right skills and experience to push for intermediate/medium level positions. However, as mentioned in the title, I'm simply not getting considered and don't pass the initial applicant pool.

Edit: I believe I should rephrase myself regarding the intermediate/mid level positions. I wanted to say that I feel strongly confident in my skills for an entry level position and thinking (and having received feedback) that I have done some work that can be evaluated at intermediate level. Hence, my confusion as to not getting traction with entry level positions.

The jobs I mainly apply for are various software engineering positions (either data/ml oriented or backend) and data analysis.

P.S I also provide a link to my project's website on the resume for quick access to my portfolio work.

Thank you in advance!

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[–] rmpbklyn 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

post your resume for feedback, fyi your preview redit links go no where, lol not helping your case

[–] poot_oona 2 points 3 points 4 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

I skimmed it and it’s so badly written and it’s so over blown on some projects it made me mistrust the writer and form the belief they have an overblown sense of their own importance. This is trouble in a team project. Also you apparently have never worked and had to show up for a job. Another red flag.

[–] [deleted] 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Education before work experience.

[–] Sunny1845 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

You don’t have enough tenure lol.. try getting a few years under your belt

[–] Successful_Entry2715 [ S ] 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Thank you everyone for the feedback, a lot of really valuable knowledge and I appreciate the insight. Now its time to revamp my resume and the strategy along with it. Reaching out here was definitely worth it and eye opening!

I would caution that the CS field is tough to break into. Try to go one day at a time, and keep your head down.

You've gotten a lot of good feedback, but you're pushing back against all of it. You ARE entry level and your resume should reflect that. Someone straight out of college shouldn't have more than a one page resume. You don't have experience to tout. You can talk about your projects all you want in your interview, but they aren't enough to get you in the door. I understand that you're proud of your accomplishments, but employers simply don't care about your passion projects.

[–] Hi-Techh 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

no internship?

[–] pongulus 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

A few points to consider:

1) Resumes are a job-specific writing assignment where the best content is found in the job description.

2) Data science and SWE are highly differentiated careers. There is nothing in your resume to suggest you’re a strong candidate for data scientist roles. Industry data scientists typically have a comprehensive math background in addition to programming skills.

3) Your experience is poorly framed. Focus on the value you added to the project rather than the discrete tasks performed. For example, what specific problems did you solve to improve an algorithm? In what manner did it yield measurably improved outcomes?

4) I don’t necessarily think objective sections need to be omitted as a matter of principle, but this objective as currently written needs improvement. Seeing the phrase “cross-functional teams” figuratively makes me want to vomit. “Proven” is too generous a term for somebody with no work experience. If you choose to include an objective section, make sure it’s specific to the role to which you’re applying and focus on its alignment with your specific skills and career interests.

5) Make it one page pls

6) Finally, I’m not going to comment on your self-assessed qualification for intermediate roles because I haven’t seen your work. If you are qualified for intermediate roles, you should have no issue landing an entry-level role, delivering intermediate-level value, and parlaying that experience into a more senior job offer.

Best of luck my dude

[–] Yogesh_882 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Don't go beyond 1 page in resumes .

[–] Jrod8833 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago *   (0 children)

Most respectfully, you need to reformat your resume.

Most places, you don’t need the objective section, they already know what you’re applying for. Don’t need references. That will be in the job application. You don’t need to include the classes you took In Your education, if your uni is accredited, they know what classes you took already. After your first job, take off your GPA.

Change line spacing in your work experience bullets and all your headers.

You don’t have enough work experience to consume more then one page, try to limit it to one page. I’d also advise you to look at several job applications and find repeating “trigger” words. These are words used to describe a role in which an algorithm is set pull resumes when enough of them are used. Most resumes are filtered by a computer first before it ever lands in front of a human.

Edit: to clarify, I’m not a supervisor. Just another mechanical engineer who’s gone through the gauntlet of trying to get “my first shot”

[–] Outrageous-Pen-9581 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Apply to positions that require programming knowledge in any type of development and shoot for a live salary, as in you will not starve. After you have experience in any situation then you can worry about making a lot/moving closer to what you are interested in. The whole 100,000 plus salary dream starting is in cities with really high rent so it evens out. Unfortunately there is an element of luck to everything and you have to keep plugging away to get your opportunities. Work hard and do not expect anything. This is not politically driven either, I am a progressive. You have to accept your situation to a certain extent. Education is nothing like working for a company, The challenges are extremely different. I hardly ever use complex algorithms or data structures but that would be easier to grapple with than finding 30,000 records with the same id in a MySql database from 15 years ago lol.

[–] Big-Veterinarian-823 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

I will be straight with you: The resume looks really bad. Google some CV templates and compare them to this.

[–] SmokinSanchez 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

First line is a huge red flag. Are you a SWE or DS professional? Are you applying insights to business problems or developing new ways to enable analytics?

I’d pivot towards one or the other since you’re likely competing with people who have more experience in either field. Even if you can do both I think the way most organizations view each profession can be very different.

[–] AnythingCanLurk 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

You need to get it to one page.

[–] tfcheung 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Your resume looks like your project experience is more on Data Analysis. It doesn't feel you have good news experience in OOP

[–] RangeRoper 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Take what you can get is my only advice. This industry rough even with years of experience lately. Seems to have dropped off a cliff in the past couple of years. Prior to that, I had more interviews as an entry level just starting out lol.

[–] Objective-Image-7917 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Your only relevant work experience is an internship? You are exactly what entry level is.

[–] TwoTermBiden 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Who the hell keeps telling people to use summaries? Jesus. HR managers look at that and just move right along to the next application.

I also personally feel putting your education last is a mistake. Makes it seem like you're not proud of what you've accomplished.

Sorry mate. Revise that resume big time. Good luck.

[–] mxmissile 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Crazy to pick a SWE engineer career. It’s so saturated it’s not even funny. Not only are there tons of devs out of work, but the jobs that are open barely pay peanuts. On top of that you have to compete against offshore people from Ukraine, packistan, and Sri Lanka…

[–] tibbon 2 points 3 points 4 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Your resume starts saying you’re “experienced” but then the contents don’t align with that. Stop over selling yourself in that paragraph

I’m at 15 years workforce experience and have a 1 page resume. Why is yours two?

[–] joelr1981 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

If you have no “real” experience, you are entry level. Number one, your resume is too long. Number two, you need a referral from someone on the inside.

[–] languidlasagna 2 points 3 points 4 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

I got out of grad school expecting to just fall into a first job. It took me about 8 months and 200 applications to get my first real foot in the door job. And that was also with government project experience. Right now you’re competing against people with 1-2 years of experience who have been laid off from what was likely their first role. It’s just going to take some time and a lot more applications

[–] [deleted] 2 points 3 points 4 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Entry level job needed. Real life work experience trumps degrees. I’ve interviewed multiple Masters degree candidates with basically no real life work experience and they are no way prepared for the role (Security Engineer)

[–] Slight-Weather-7636 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

You are front ending with an emotional logic throw the resume out and approach this from the backend of the program as a programmer ; what is the need to source ratio find holes and write your application in that space. Do not copy more than necessary you will just receive nothing because nothing is there. Follow the market.

[–] woopdedoodah 6 points 7 points 8 points 1 year ago   (1 child)

You say you trained a bunch of machine learning models, but then you only mention some t SNE work and say you use that to develop a scalar store.

Firstly, any hiring manager in any ml field is going to know what t SNE is. And secondly, they would know that it can't be used to take high dimensional data and convert it into a meaningful score without some intermediate work.

As someone who's been a hiring manager in the ml field, this indicates that either you're not being forthright with your experience or had some involvement in these projects but not enough to explain what happened.

My suggestion is to either summarize your experience more so that it's not immediately contradictory and I reject the application because I'm not sure what you're talking about, or to go into more technical detail (and be precise) so that I think your skills are exceptional.

Also you need to tailor your resume to the job. What I said would apply for an ML job. But you also mention a bunch of skills I dont care about like docker packaging and stuff. For an ML job, focus on ml. For another job, like a backend engineer or something focus on that. Right now it just reads like a bunch of things. I don't have time to parse it all and figure out how it fits.

[–] [deleted] 3 points 4 points 5 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

If you don’t have the years of experience in a job for the intermediate they won’t even consider you. Your resume is not getting looked at at all. You need to apply for entry level if you don’t have work experience.

[–] Xiplox 13 points 14 points 15 points 1 year ago *   (0 children)

Some thoughts as someone who has recently gotten many top software engineering offers as a student.

Love your projects, they are quite good imo, especially if you have links to them.

Main improvement: way too much text. I mean, WAY too much. Use one page if possible, but even if not there is so much to cut down on here. Objective/references are not usually included. Too many paragraphs, those impact paragraphs need to be like 1-2 sentences. Vertical spacing is too big. Be concise (phrases like "during the initial development phase" are worse than useless). With every word, ask yourself: does this provide any value ? Taking a quick glance, almost every sentence could be shortened without losing info. I would find resources on how to write concisely.

When text-dense, using some bolding to highlight the important parts will help.

Quantify impact as much as possible. Numbers impress much more and provide believability.

Some tough love: you are a new grad with barely any industry experience, you are so far from being an intermediate/mid-level candidate. Also, ML roles with bachelors is tough even in a good market, it will be more fruitful to target regular SWE/DS roles.

"Data Intern" feels very vague, I would call it something else to make it sound more specific and/or sexy without being misleading. Just spitballing, "Software Engineer Intern" or "Computer Vision Intern" or "Data Science Intern" would all sound better imo. Work experience is king, and this is your only entry. You need this to look as good as possible.

Your resume content isn't bad, don't lose hope and keep applying. This market sucks, in a better one you would probably have some interviews already tbh. Use and develop your network if you can.

[–] slamdamnsplits 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Look up Leon Noel 100 devs and review his job application content (at least). It's free on YouTube and incredibly valuable insight.

[–] rome_vang 5 points 6 points 7 points 1 year ago *   (0 children)

Many in my CS graduating class have similar skills as yourself, they're all getting entry level jobs. ML and Big data jobs (from what I've seen) typically require at minimum a Master or a Ph.D. That's likely another reason why you're not hearing back, as many have said you're aiming too high. Other than that, resume seems fine. Just reassess the jobs you're applying to and tailor the resume for those jobs (add or remove relevant skills).

[–] Springtime912 2 points 3 points 4 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Get rid of the last line of your objective and use it as a Summary Statement instead. Keep in mind the information on your experience is about what you did- not info about the project ( the last 2 statements for the Holocaust need to be about you)

[–] RoyaleWCheese_OK 19 points 20 points 21 points 1 year ago   (1 child)

Currently actively hiring technical roles, here's what I look for - short, concise resume without minor roles being over-inflated. You shouldn't have to embellish your skills. Any kind of internship

Applicable experience, however minor. I wouldn't even look at someone that hasn't actually graduated unless they had completed a couple of internships and were a known quantity.

Finally, blindly applying is about the worst way to get an interview. Those Indeed 1-clocks are totally pointless. Network as much as possible, see if a friend or family member can get you a foot in the door somewhere.

[–] heliumeyes 2 points 3 points 4 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Agree on most of your advice. However, blindly applying isn’t always bad if you are self aware and realize the sheer number of applications you’ll have to do. I get where you’re coming from though. Many jobs are filled through networking, so I’m not discounting that. However, in my own career I’ve gotten almost all of my jobs and prior internships through online applications.

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[–] LowCryptographer9047 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

I seconded this.

[+] Successful_Entry2715 [ S ] comment score below threshold -11 points -10 points -9 points 1 year ago   (4 children)

Made an edit to provide a clarification - I am aiming for entry level. What I was trying to say is that I believe to have some skills that might be classified as intermediate. However, as pointed at out by another commenter, at this day and age such skills are still qualifying for entry level.

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[–] Successful_Entry2715 [ S ] 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (1 child)

Really appreciate the feedback, thank you!

[–] Objective-Image-7917 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Good project experiences but wayyyy too long a resume. References are very unnecessary on a resume, summarize all the bullet points under each project to one. We only care about the impact after all. Emphasize your achievements, don’t bother with the whole process of everything that you did. And most importantly keep it 1 page only. If I came across your resume for a software dev 1- I wouldn’t read anything under the projects and just look at your skills section first. Might be worth putting it right after your bio as it’s normally the quick yes/no qualifier.

[–] LowCryptographer9047 9 points 10 points 11 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Look, in the industry, any recent grad is considered an entry level, especially without non-intern experience which is in your case.

[–] New_Pizza_Rich 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

I think having an objective is kinda out dated.

[–] whoKilledLouisV 5 points 6 points 7 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Start by making your resume 1 page :))

[–] UniverseCatalyzed 25 points 26 points 27 points 1 year ago *   (2 children)

Generally you want to stay under 1 page if your full-time paid work experience is under 10 years. Ruthlessly cut anything that's not directly demonstrating your value to an employer for the job you're applying to.

For example I'd probably cut all the "impact" sections for each project, or limit to 1 or 2 lines in a bullet. I'd drastically cut back the number of bullets for each project as well. The internship should be what you highlight imo because the rest reads like schoolwork to me, which doesn't always translate into being a value-add in the workforce.

Reference names/numbers don't go on a resume. Employers will ask you if/when they want to contact your references, almost always near the end of the hiring process. This is also polite to your references - you should let them know to be expecting a call from x specific company, not dumping their contact info to 100s of random ones.

I'd personally cut the objective section as they typically get skipped.

make sure you're filling your resume with keywords from the job apps you're applying to. I use the skill section for this if my default resume isn't close enough. Run your resume through an ATS checker like Jobscan to make sure it's a >80% match for the requirements in the job description.

Most of all, while you're still in school, try really hard to use whatever career center resources you still have available to you. Getting the first full time paid position is the hardest, and cold applying is the worst way to get a job. Try hard to get some contacts/alumni networks/company connections your school can provide if at all possible

[–] Successful_Entry2715 [ S ] 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (1 child)

Appreciate the detailed feedback!

Regarding 2: the 2 projects at the top are not associated with any schoolwork. First project was done for a government agency while I was still studying (a contact of mine needed some data processing and visualization done). As for the second one, I just had an idea and made it into a passion project of mine. Only 3 is a capstone project from university. The reason I'm listing is 3 is that it's building on top of an open-source product that was incrementally built for the past 7 years which our client was not aware off and it resulted in it being close to intermediate level industry experience (this was backed up by our project's curator).

My worry is that if I reduce any of the projects descriptions then I will effectively decrease the visibility of experience, exposition of work done and tools used.

[–] UniverseCatalyzed 5 points 6 points 7 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Ok, regardless projects are generally considered to be less valuable than experience and results generated in a paid position, so I'd try to combine bullets for the projects where possible and condense everything so you can get it to 1 page

As others have said elsewhere as well, you may not be getting hits because your dates indicate you'll still be in school through November. If an employer is posting a job today, they want to fill the role now, not in November.

[–] grussr 106 points 107 points 108 points 1 year ago   (9 children)

You don't graduate until Nov. you think you should be intermediate, but dont have anything to show or prove otherwise. Apply for entry level jobs.

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[–] syizm 58 points 59 points 60 points 1 year ago   (4 children)

I'm an engineer and mostly work in advanced manufacturing for a large multinational company who supplies products to customer facing businesses like Apple, Samsung, and Intel. In a highly code dependent manner, using lots of statistics and simulation modeling (R, Python, sometimes VBA even... flavors of the day.)

I'm not saying this to sound rude but you're just flatly qualified for entry level positions. There is nothing wrong with your resume, at all, but don't think of yourself as over qualified. You aren't. Your career is just getting started, and your resume and actual availability reflect that.

Each one of us in this industry can do what basically everyone else can do. Having an "advanced skill set" like you (which it is, actually, advanced) is normal in the field. Totally normal. We're replaceable cogs just as well. I hope that makes sense. It's sort of a muted reality to get to this point where you feel like you're miles ahead only to realize you're just running with a different herd now.

People are likely not hiring you because you are still in school. I've done hiring and interviewing (for the federal government and one public company), and most positions available aren't able to wait multiple months. Obviously some are, but most aren't.

I'm confident you'll have way more luck once you're immediately available to enter the field. Good luck.

Edit: to be clear, its understood you're done with classes but you don't graduate until November. To an employer, this is "still in school" or "doesn't technically have the degree yet." Which is the prime barrier you're likely experiencing.

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[–] syizm 1 point 2 points 3 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

As someone who has done hiring (only a few rounds of engineers) I prefer 1 page, but its sort of up to you. 2 pages isn't out of the question. And for "techy" positions like you're seeking, HR will typically field only a few qualified resumes to the engineering department. (Note to you - you may also be getting screened out by HR because of not 'technically' having a degree.) Then the engineers whittle down that pool and send the remaining candidates back to HR to set up the interview process.

If you didn't graduate in August, don't put it on the resume. If you're not getting your degree and walking until November, you may need to find another way around the issue... but don't misrepresent reality, if that makes sense.

It might feel tough now but, worst case, November will be here soon and you'll be earning a good salary. I really do believe that is why you're not getting feedback yet

[–] grussr 9 points 10 points 11 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

Please Dont cut your resume to 1 page in tech. I think it is the previous point when you are ready. Don't lie and put August, just take the month off and leave 2023 in there. Or put class of 2023

[–] Dannyzavage 0 points 1 point 2 points 1 year ago   (2 children)

How many years?

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[–] chaizyy 7 points 8 points 9 points 1 year ago   (0 children)

As a rule of thumb you need at least 3 years of exp to apply for mid level positions. Projects and internships weigh less than full time work exp.

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• Remember, if you’re adding projects then mention all programming languages or software you used and what problem it solved. If you’ve led a team project, talk about your leadership. If not, detail your contributions as a member which align with the job responsibilities .
• Use points like “Led a team of 9 to create a Python web scraper that helped teachers extract information from the internet 34 minutes quicker.”

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Amplifying your achievements

• If you’re looking to score in-demand jobs like software engineer or data scientist, then focus on achievements more than your daily duties. These can include bringing out financial impacts using technology or automating tasks to save time.
• Here’s an example: “Used AWS for building 3 Android applications which helped the company expand its consumer base by 28%.

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Use ready- made template

• Instead of compromising your career details to fit a specific design, use a resume template that provides enough space to add your tech-based roles, programming skills, and any software certifications.
• Using a smart resume builder will let you edit/arrange any sections, change the font size/family, and add various colors.

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Understand the company

• For instance, if your to-be company has an office in another state than yours and requires tech employees to travel and use their in-office devices/setup then mention that you’re willing to relocate in the location section.
• It’s fine to include additional data like your hobbies if they’re allowed but keep things formal and to the point for the serious ones.

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Adding context

• Talk about how you’ve used them in real-life scenarios. For example, try mentioning how many web scrapers or ETL pipelines you built with Python and its impact on the business.
• Similarly, talk about using soft skills like communication or teamwork in a project where you worked with cross-functional teams.

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Let education speak

• If you’re applying for a role where minimum education qualification is a requirement, use a resume builder to place your education section on the left/right side of your resume towards the top.
• Have extra space? Try adding in relevant or specialized courses like Data Structures, Software Engineering, and Machine Learning.

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Talk about your competencies

• Roles such as a computer science teacher require the skills of a programmer and teacher, so maintain a fine balance between your abilities to act as both.
• You can include the programming languages you’re a pro at while listing teaching skills like communication, patience, and differentiated instruction.

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Going ATS-friendly

• To make your resume ATS-friendly, include all keywords from the job description such as proficiency in Rust or Certified Entry-level Python Programmer certificate. Ensure these are all on your resume at the right places.
• Also, steer clear from including add-ons like pie charts, graphs, or acronyms.

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Justify work gaps

• For planned breaks, include what you achieved during this time. Was it a new programming skill ? Personal software development project? Or maybe a new computer course certificate? Make sure these are clearly labeled with dates.
• If your unplanned break lasted only a few months then you can be sneaky and not mention the month, but year of employment in each work experience.

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Early in your computer science career, you must keep your resume to one page. As such, real estate on your resume is valuable. You should only include a  resume objective  if it adds value and increases your chances of getting an interview.

So, what is a resume objective for a computer science student? It’s a statement that succinctly states your skills, what you’re looking for in the job you’re applying for, and how you’ll add value in that role.

That sounds like a lot, but it’s not that bad in practice. You should keep it to two to three sentences and customize it to each role for which you apply. Here are a couple of examples from the resumes above:

• “I’m looking for an internship where I can utilize my experience with natural language processing and building web apps for non-technical users to further the mission of Coursera in democratizing education across the world.”
• “Industrious recent computer science graduate with a zeal for innovation. Seeking a position at Sikka Software, where the strategic focus on delighting users aligns with my creativity and desire to enhance social events through technology.”

Alternatively, if you’ve built some valuable experience, you may want to consider a  resume summary statement . Only include one if you can successfully and specifically highlight your greatest career accomplishments. 

When you’re looking for a computer science internship or your first full-time role as a developer, projects are a must-have on your resume.

These can either be projects you completed as part of a class or something you went out and built on your own. Projects are the best way to show a potential employer that you can take what you learned in class and apply it to the real world.

More than that, they’re a great way to demonstrate your interest in coding outside of your classwork. In your projects, mention exactly what you built and the languages/ libraries you used. Here are some examples:

Social media scheduler

• Built a responsive web app using Django and Node that allowed users to schedule social media posts across Instagram and Twitter
• Utilized the Twitter API and Instagram API
• Built features using scikit-learn in Python that learned what time of day maximized engagement with social media posts which increased the overall user engagement rate by 15% 
• Released app for free for University of Pittsburgh students, and it quickly grew to over 500 monthly active users
• Used: Javascript, Python, SQL, HTML/CSS

Poker simulation

• Built a full-stack web app to allow users to simulate and visualize outcomes of poker hands against opponents of different play styles using open-source cards.js on the front-end
• Utilized sci-kit learn in Python to simulate possible outcomes under different scenarios that the users chose